Posts by Yan Bibiyan

a relative of mine who is disfellowshipped for having a baby out of wedlock and living with the babys daddy has a sister who is an active jehovahs witness.

she has had nothing to do with her newborn neice for 9 months and outta the blue textes who sister and asks her to meet at a. restaurant as they are in town and would like to see the baby.

the mom out of love gave in so her nephews could see their cousin whom they'll never know.

Yan Bibiyan

"Go to hell" is polite in this case.

"Eff you" would have been more appropriate...

Justmom, this is insane!

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FADERS YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED - BELIEVE IT OR NOT!.

by mankkeli in

to onthewayout, 00dad, cedars and other reknowned faders.

reports have reached patterson that faders are much more dangerous than those disfellowshipped.

their reasons for fading are no longer new to the gb.

Yan Bibiyan

Peoples, relax! Mankkeli is neither a troll nor a psycho.

He is the most clever apostate I've ever seen working under the disguse of a hard core JW. For anyone remotely questioning the WT, a mankkeli charachter is all they need to flip the switch.

Mankkeli, great job bro!

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the wts sometimes turns the "stumbling" concept into a manipulative weapon.. the biblical concept of "stumbling" is that if you know someone else has a weakness you shouldn't do something that will cause him to cave in to that weakness.

for example, if you have a friend who is trying to fight alcohol addiction you shouldn't invite him to go somewhere where everyone else will be imbibing.. i think it's perfectly legitimate for a friend to tell you that he has a drinking problem and that he'd really appreciate it if you would refrain from serving alcohol while he's over.

but i think it crosses a line if the friend tries to manipulate you into swearing off alcohol altogether because the mere thought of you drinking booze will stumble him.. but some jws try to get others to refrain from doing things "so you don't stumble me.

Yan Bibiyan

You just stumbled me!

I have a near death intolerance for the word "stumble" and when I hear or read it, I have to stop working immediatelly and spend the rest of the day with my shrink ($250)

Since it's your fault, you should pick up the bill.

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Private Property?

by Yan Bibiyan in

in various posts, shared experiences, and recently in the youtube videos of one of our own jwn members, the kingdom hall is classified as private property and this was used for grounds to have the authorities called to remove unwanted attendees.. protection of private property has to be one of the most precious rights western societies have established.

on the other hand, this right comes with certain obligations.

the very authorities, such as police and firefighters, are largely able to perform their duties by being funded through taxation of the owners of such private property.

Yan Bibiyan

Ding,

You are way off in left field with your analysis.

No, I am not suggesting that people walk in and occupy buildings indefinitely, nor do I say that they can walk off with equipment...I didn't say that real estate taxes should be enforced to all either.

Watch the video, this girl didn't show up in off hours demanding she stayed indefinitely, didn't walk out with an amp and didn't cause any disturbance - the elders simply didn't like her because of her, shall we say, apostacy. Yet, I am sure she didn't have the choice to NOT pay the fraction of taxes that represented her household's share of making up the KH's property taxes, if she'd be denied the supposed SERVICE.

My assumption was that the exempt status is based on a SERVICE provided to the community. Seemed to me that the WT (and any non-profit by extension) has it both ways: gets the benefit for providing the service and simultaneously decides IF it will provide the service.

In the subsequent Band on the Run's post (thank you BoR), I see that the issue goes beyond simple taxation and is rooted way back into times when religion was much more influential on society...

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Private Property?

by Yan Bibiyan in

in various posts, shared experiences, and recently in the youtube videos of one of our own jwn members, the kingdom hall is classified as private property and this was used for grounds to have the authorities called to remove unwanted attendees.. protection of private property has to be one of the most precious rights western societies have established.

on the other hand, this right comes with certain obligations.

the very authorities, such as police and firefighters, are largely able to perform their duties by being funded through taxation of the owners of such private property.

Yan Bibiyan

Ding, I understand. My question has more to do with what gives the tax-exempt status? I has to be a trade-off. Tax-exempt for service to society.

You shouldn't be able to take the full benefit (tax-exempt), while at the same time selectively denying the obligation (service to society).

I may be wrong, although seems unfair, ain't it?

EDIT: I see BoR's post...guess things are not as simple...

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Private Property?

by Yan Bibiyan in

in various posts, shared experiences, and recently in the youtube videos of one of our own jwn members, the kingdom hall is classified as private property and this was used for grounds to have the authorities called to remove unwanted attendees.. protection of private property has to be one of the most precious rights western societies have established.

on the other hand, this right comes with certain obligations.

the very authorities, such as police and firefighters, are largely able to perform their duties by being funded through taxation of the owners of such private property.

Yan Bibiyan

In various posts, shared experiences, and recently in the YouTube videos of one of our own JWN members, the Kingdom Hall is classified as “private property” and this was used for grounds to have the authorities called to remove unwanted attendees.

Protection of private property has to be one of the most precious rights western societies have established. On the other hand, this right comes with certain obligations. The very authorities, such as police and firefighters, are largely able to perform their duties by being funded through taxation of the owners of such “private property”. Religion, as well as other non-profit structures, have managed to avoid such taxation under the agreement that their existence is for the benefit of society, which in turn picks up the tab for the portion of taxes not paid by religious organizations.

This is obviously an oversimplification, but you get the idea.

When I checked the property tax files in my County, Kingdom Halls were listed as exempt property and as such, have paid ZERO property taxes for as far back as the online record goes. Commercial properties of similar building and lot sizes are putting close to $10,000 in taxes in the County’s budget each year.

Here comes the question:

If the very existence of such establishments is partially funded by the County’s residents and such establishments are there for the benefit of society (read: ALL), how can the Authorities be called to DENY access to such services to one or more of the very people who partially fund the operation and for whose benefit the operation supposedly exists?

I hope someone with legal background or better understanding reads this and offers some explanation.

Boils my blood to see some self-righteous Elder calling the cops to remove a participant who is not quite to their liking.

How about you pony up your fair share of taxes, hot shot, and then call it “Private Property”

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New Member

by Twisty in

jw
friends

hi.

my wife and myself are active witnesses.. before i go into great depth about our past and what brings me here, i would like to make sure i am posting this in the right section.. i'm a little technologically retarded so please bear with me.. .

twisty.

Yan Bibiyan

Twisty, Welcome!

I picked up one more point from you posts that potentially puts you in danger. You say:

"... but i dont think anything can be done if im not willing to cooperate?"

The new Elder Manual (did you even know it exists?) defines very loosely "Brazen Conduct" as pretty much any infraction that doesn't match toeing the party line 100%. I am afraid your lack of cooperation can easily be labeled...hmmmm...shall we say "Brazen".

Take it slow, read as much as you can and the best of luck with yours & Mrs' fade.

Enjoy freedom!

-Yan

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How do Jehovahs Witnesses arrive at their explanation of the Bible?

by mankkeli in

this explanation was taken from the reasoning book, page 204.. how do jehovahs witnesses arrive at their explanation of the bible?.

a key factor is that the witnesses really believe that the bible is gods word and that what it contains is there for our instruction.

(2 tim.

Yan Bibiyan

Dude, you kinda look like Rob Mariano (Boston Rob) from Survivor...